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21 February 2010
Editor © Muhammad Haque
The ‘free’ ‘local London evening newspaper’ the EVENING STANDARD has failed to publish the comment [we publish that one again here, below] that was written in response to that paper’s story on the future of the stadium at Stratford. The comment below is the ONLY one that addresses all the key issues in the matter. Logic would warrant that those issues were addressed in a comment. None of the comments actually published by the EVENING STANDARD on their [thisislondon.co.uk] website has remotely dealt with the issues. Yet the STANDARD has failed to run that comment. None of the ‘comments’ [30 in all; so far] that they DO publish is traceable, identifiable. In contrast the comments by the Khoodeelaar! Campaign organiser are. So why is the EVENING STABNDARD failing to publish the one that can be traced and identified whereas allowing traceless and unverifiable ‘comments’? Is the EVENING STANDARD bothered about the costs and the benefits of the 2012 Games hosting stadium? Does the EVENING STANDARD care about the needs of the local people in the East End of London?
[To be continued]
COMMENTING on the London EVENING STANDARD news item about 2012 Games Hosting stadium in East London and the 'plans ' of David Sullivan [and partner/s] publisher of several pornographic outlets:
Is David Sullivan the appropriate epitome of the dreamed of ‘result’ of the boastful lies Ken Livingstone had told at the expense of the East End of London when he repeatedly told David Dimbleby on the Mayor election special edition of BBC Question Time in April 2008 that he, Ken Livingstone, had lied about the 2012 Games hosting ‘London Bid’ [that ism he oversold London’s ‘appeal’ as a venue for the 2012 Games] because that was the only way to get cash into the 'deprived' East End of London? If Livingstone had not foreseen the sliding into the frame of the likes of David Sullivan then it makes him [Livingstone] worse than a liar! CRASS! Not very progressive, is it! This disastrous ‘bid’ must put a definite end to the hype on which Livingstone has operated his own career programme for decades. He is not sound on economics. Nor indeed on democracy. The 2012 Hosting hype is now tellingly debtsful and wasteful. Time for serious thought before the next irresponsible, careeristic spin under ‘big project’ slogans. London 0205 GMT Thursday 18 February 2010
Tessa Jowell slaps down West Ham duo over football at Olympic stadium
Matthew Beard, Sports News Correspondent17.02.10
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Tessa Jowell today dealt a blow toWest Ham's proposed move toLondon's Olympic Stadium by insisting that the venue's primary purpose will be to host grand prix athletics.
David Gold and David Sullivan completed a takeover of the Barclays Premier Leaguestrugglers last month and immediately set about looking at ways to improve the club's finances.
The main policy of their rescue bid for the Hammers was to leave Upton Park and move to the 80,000-capacity Olympic Stadium in Stratford.
Officials say the 2012 Games must leave a legacy to athletics in east London and insist that grand prix meetings will be held at the stadium.
Mr Sullivan and Mr Gold would prefer to host matches without having an athletics track around the pitch.
Olympics minister Ms Jowell told Press Association Sport today: “Let's be clear about this. It will be a grand prix athletics stadium because we need one.
"We have made that commitment, that was one of the reasons that we bid to win the Games and so that is a given.”
The Government has set up the Olympic Park Legacy Company to decide the stadium's purpose after 2012.
Ms Jowell criticised the new owners' decision to publicly state that the club was ready to relocate to Stratford, and insisted that any move would have to be sanctioned by the committee.
She said: “I don't think you can jump from a press conference where the new owners sit down and say we'd like to move to the Olympic Stadium to how it might work.
“In order to make sure we maximise the legacy of the park, we have set up the Olympic Park Legacy Company and they will shortly be inviting bids and business plans from any business that wants to apply for a commercial stake in the stadium and if West Ham want to made a bid at that time it will be considered alongside all the others.”
Ms Jowell is in Vancouver to see how it copes with hosting the Winter Olympics. The International Olympic Committee has been criticised for awarding the Games to the city.
Warm weather led to the postponement of some events and the opening day of competition was overshadowed by the death of Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili.
But Ms Jowell said: “I think that (Vancouver organising committee) VANOC have done a really wonderful job. Whatever carping there may have been in the British media, it is not reflected here.”
Canada has picked up five medals so far, and Ms Jowell hopes home advantage could bring similar success for Britain in 2012. “The home crowd effect has kicked in here,” she said.
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Reader views (30)
Lets face it...football fans are more likely to use a stadia every week and bring in money to fund the ground than one or two Athletics events that very few people care about.
I am all for other sports getting a chance to create new sporting facilities but the last thing we need is a great big open space standing empty/never used like the Dome causing us Taxpayers to lose money.
- Mark, Watford
I am all for other sports getting a chance to create new sporting facilities but the last thing we need is a great big open space standing empty/never used like the Dome causing us Taxpayers to lose money.
- Mark, Watford
"Football fans think they are so special and reckon they have priority over all other sports", Jose??
Wow. What an incredibly insulting generalisation, and on the football section of the site too.
As for the comments comparing England to France...
- Stu, Homeless
Wow. What an incredibly insulting generalisation, and on the football section of the site too.
As for the comments comparing England to France...
- Stu, Homeless
Typical Labour pledging tax payers money for an unloved use! Athletics stadiums all over the world loose money look at all the previous Olympic stadiums. Let's rid ourselves of these greedy fools this May. Let people who want to guarantee an economically viable future for the Stratford Stadium in and leave us poor tax payers alone.
- Bill, London
- Bill, London
It doesn't really matter what Tessa thinks, she won't be in a position to make those sorts of decisions after the General Election in a few months...
- Paul, Philadelphia USA
- Paul, Philadelphia USA
I think Susan Porter has a point but who can blame Westfield? It's pretty scummy round the corner from the Olympic site,Leytonstone High Road is a 2 mile dump full of cafes and kebab shops.
Its about time East London had the kind of shops which brought money into the area so why spoil it.
- Irv Swerve, Redbridge
Its about time East London had the kind of shops which brought money into the area so why spoil it.
- Irv Swerve, Redbridge
Good for you Tessa. They manage to play football, rugby and have a running track in France, not to mention other stadiums around the world so why not in the UK? Football fans think they are so special and reckon they have priority over all other sports. Well, after the Olympics, we will have an excellent stadium paid for by millions of people, so lets all have a slice of it. Its not as if UK plc can afford to leave the stadium just for football, an excellent sport, sadly,mostly run by people who live in the past and have little knowledge of how it should be manasged.
- Jose Luis, London SW18
- Jose Luis, London SW18
Tessa who?
- Steve, England
- Steve, England
ANother stadium waiting to sit there empty...
Shame and those footballers have to lose their pitches and these guys are wasting a great stadium.
If they can't decide 2 years from no, whats the chance they will know after the games..
- Adrian, London
Shame and those footballers have to lose their pitches and these guys are wasting a great stadium.
If they can't decide 2 years from no, whats the chance they will know after the games..
- Adrian, London
She would say that wouldn't she. Right now that has to be her view, but in 2012, after the games, there will be a change of heart. Labour never never says what it means or does what it says, so West Ham should not worry too much.
- Coylum, Vancouver, Canada
- Coylum, Vancouver, Canada
Ms Jowell - you made a mistake - athletics is not a well supported sport - get real and make it a soccer or rugby stadium with other sporting facilities. Your just going down a one way street to support a previous wrong decision.
- Peter, orpington
- Peter, orpington
The main point is that we don’t need Tessa’s misguided advice or meddling on the matter. Otherwise we will end up with more wasted money and another wasted opportunity to benefit the majority.
- Xtremely Worried, Britain (no longer Great)
- Xtremely Worried, Britain (no longer Great)
Susan Porter - your argument doesn't stack up. Westfield at Shepherd's Bush is close to QPR (and 5 minutes from Stamford Bridge by London Overground from West Brompton)
- Blue Baby, London
- Blue Baby, London
Jowell, I cant wait till you and your lot leave. You spent billions on the midlands and the north, you never did anything for us in all your time in power except take our money. Why cant we have a stunning football stadium south of the Thames?
- Andy, London
- Andy, London
Dal - I'd imagine more away fans would get to go to the games. That would mean even you could go and watch a real game. Imagine that.
- Stu, Homeless
- Stu, Homeless
We need a good Dog Track in London, we ain't got any now.
We also need more pie and mash shops; we have enough kebab shops already.
West Ham could share the Stadium with Millwall; and have a dog track with pie and mash restaurants etc.
Athletics could also use it in-between football games and dog racing etc.
And in the evenings, it could be used for Bingo; there are lots of old ladies in the East End looking for Bingo Halls.
Then it could also be used for Concerts, and other sporting events like boxing etc.
And if any government ever gets back to building council homes, they could knock the stadium down and build tower blocks all over it.
Who would have thought that an new Olympic Stadium was such a complex matter; its there now, so leave it there for Londoners to use, for ever, and what-ever.
- Mickinlondon, london
We also need more pie and mash shops; we have enough kebab shops already.
West Ham could share the Stadium with Millwall; and have a dog track with pie and mash restaurants etc.
Athletics could also use it in-between football games and dog racing etc.
And in the evenings, it could be used for Bingo; there are lots of old ladies in the East End looking for Bingo Halls.
Then it could also be used for Concerts, and other sporting events like boxing etc.
And if any government ever gets back to building council homes, they could knock the stadium down and build tower blocks all over it.
Who would have thought that an new Olympic Stadium was such a complex matter; its there now, so leave it there for Londoners to use, for ever, and what-ever.
- Mickinlondon, london
If its to be used puely for athletics, it will hardly get used. Better off converting it into a cinema.
Malc
- Malc, London,England
Malc
- Malc, London,England
OK no problem, use it as a premium sports stadium, what maybe once or twice a year? Let West Ham have it where they will pay the rent during the winter using it once or twice a week, the rest of the time pitch some Nissan huts and let the $7000.00 a month/week subsidised renters stay there.
- David Wright, Buenos Aires, Argentina.
- David Wright, Buenos Aires, Argentina.
West Ham have stated they hope to be able to offer tickets at reasonable prices to the masses who cannot attend currently due to cost and also provide employment to many hundreds of local people. London does need a modern/all purpose athletics track but at what cost? One that stands empty for 300 or so days of the year? Lets reach a compromise and get the best value for Londoners.
- Kat, London
- Kat, London
When were Blair Babes ever in the real world. They just get worse as they get older!
- Tel, Chelmsford Essex
- Tel, Chelmsford Essex
Turn it into a shopping centre car park - plenty of clothes , shoes and handbag shops in Stratford - double size spaces for those big old "lets play in the city" Chelseas !
Just make sure there`s a reserved parking space for Lord Coe, though!
- Darius, London
Just make sure there`s a reserved parking space for Lord Coe, though!
- Darius, London
Unless a football club takes it over it will sit empty for many years just like the dome.Funny how no one complained about Man City renting Eastlands isn't it?It would be good if West Ham were to get as it would allow youngsters/and the many thousands who currently can't afford to watch football at reasonable prices.
- Chris From Walthamstow, London,England
- Chris From Walthamstow, London,England
It's likly that they wanted to own the ground to lever better finances for the club using the ground as an asset, possibly for later sale and redevelopment.
Best possible use is either as a great rock venue / replacement for the ageing crystal palace facilities and of course the obligitory boring shopping centre.
Best use is totun the site into a factory creating tangible goods for export that can employ at least 2000 people, some hope.
- Jim, East London
Best possible use is either as a great rock venue / replacement for the ageing crystal palace facilities and of course the obligitory boring shopping centre.
Best use is totun the site into a factory creating tangible goods for export that can employ at least 2000 people, some hope.
- Jim, East London
The only thing the Olympic organisers are doing for the local ordinary working class people is asking them to pay for this white elephant through their taxes.
There is serious snobbery going on here, West Ham would create year round employment and bring custom to the local shops and businesses.
Luckily Jowell will be out of a job come May.
- Sandra, London
There is serious snobbery going on here, West Ham would create year round employment and bring custom to the local shops and businesses.
Luckily Jowell will be out of a job come May.
- Sandra, London
The Olympic Stadium sounds more and more like a Great White Elephant, just like the Dome was and all the other stadia in countries like Greece and China that now stand empty.
There needs to be a compromise (using novel engineering solutions - we still have the talent in this country) from both sides to ensure that this stadium is used properly.
- Tim B., Addlestone UK
There needs to be a compromise (using novel engineering solutions - we still have the talent in this country) from both sides to ensure that this stadium is used properly.
- Tim B., Addlestone UK
It is none of Tessa Jowells business she will be long gone before the Olympics are held and the stadium is looking for customers. Keep your nose out of things that do not concern you madam !!!
- Nick Holland, glasgow
- Nick Holland, glasgow
Ha ha what are West Ham going to do with a 80,000 seater stadium
- Dal, Bromley
- Dal, Bromley
Why haven't they spent the money upgrading Crystal Palace ...
- Flo, London, UK
- Flo, London, UK
They'll need to consider all offers carefully or it will end up like the Dome was for years - a monument to a political stupidity.
- Eastender, London
- Eastender, London
We have plenty of football stadiums within London, but not one decent venue for athletics, Crystal Palace is a joke. Considering debts & recession, a venue with due activities should be welcome, like the stadiums who share with rugby. Sullivan & Gold shouldn’t knock it, considering the financial problems at the pearly gates of Upton Park.
- Jack, London
- Jack, London
I heard Westfield were opposed to West Ham taking the Olympic Stadium because they didn't want dirty great football fans wandering all over their lovely new Stratford City mall.
- Susan Porter, E3
- Susan Porter, E3
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